Friday, February 12, 2010

Catholics only please: Would you please verify if the following statement is true or false. No offence meant?

The official position of the Roman Catholic Church on salvation is that a person must believe in Jesus Christ AND be baptized AND receive the Eucharist along with the other sacraments AND obey the decrees of the Roman Catholic Church AND perform meritorious works AND not die with any mortal sins.Catholics only please: Would you please verify if the following statement is true or false. No offence meant?
False.





Did you get that from ';gotquestions.org';?





If so, please ignore everything what they say about Catholicism; they only ';look'; smart because they have a ';.org'; at the end of their URL, but in fact they're pretty dumb when it comes to judging Catholics.





Try other websites like


http://www.scripturecatholic.com





http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/review…





These sites explain everything pretty good.





Plus: Did you know that the Catholic Church was established by Jesus? Catholics were the first Christians, and it's the true church.





EDIT: Thanks :D





Take a look at James 2:14-25.


There it says:


';What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, ';Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,'; but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.


But someone will say, ';You have faith; I have deeds.';


Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.


You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.


You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was MADE COMPLETE by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, ';Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,';and he was called God's friend. You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.


In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.';





This means that if we have faith, we'll WANT to to good stuff and obey God.


If someone claims to have faith, but doesn't even try to be good and do his best to obey God, then his faith is just not existent.





There's also Matthew7:20(';by their fruit you will recognize them';), and Matthew 12:33(';ake a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.';).





It's a bit hard to explain, but it's not ';faith+works';, but your faith will bring forward good deeds, showing that you do want to obey God; just do your best.





:)





EDIT again:


Well, let's put it that way: It is required evidence.


Just think of ';actions speak louder than words';.





It clearly says so in the Bible, and some other Christian denominations will also tell you this(it's not just a Catholic Thing.)


Here's another Bible quote:


';Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father';





Proper, real faith CAUSES you to obey God.





http://www.scripturecatholic.com/justifi…Catholics only please: Would you please verify if the following statement is true or false. No offence meant?
Its true! Catholic teaching exalts human effort at the expense of Christ.


Anyone who thinks that the Catholic Church is really changing its core teachings is a million miles away from the truth. This is taken from a Reformed Catholic who has written a excellent book of his life in the Catholic Church and how he was converted to Christianity.
False.





No matter what someone may tell you to the contrary, the Catholic Church teaches that salvation is by the grace of God alone. NOTHING ELSE.





The confusion lies in when we explain how we get that grace - through faith and works (that is works done for God's glory, not your own) per Ephesians 2:8-10.





The sacraments are some of God's many ways of conveying saving grace to us.





While the Catechism does say that one must be Catholic to be saved, it ALSO says that since God is merciful, He can and will save those who, ';through no fault of their own, do not know'; the Catholic Church to be God's church. So ultimately it really says that any believer can be saved.
Ummmmm...nope.





The official position of the Roman Catholic Church is that JESUS saves. There is no formula. There is no way to earn salvation. It's up to the Lord, and that's the end of it.





If a person doesn't have the opportunity to be baptized, s/he can still be saved. If a person doesn't have the opportunity to receive the Eucharist (or any other Sacrament), s/he can still be saved. If a person doesn't know what the decrees of the RCC are and can't be sure s/he is following them, s/he can still be saved. If a person never performs a meritorious work, s/he can still be saved.





If a person willingly commits a serious mortal sin (i.e., murder, denouncing Christ, adultery, etc.) without being pressured to do so and refuses to repent of that sin his/her soul would certainly be at peril, but all Christian religions believe that.
False.





“Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life.” (Lumen Gentium 16)


http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_counc…
True.





And I hope everyone caught the flying nun above....quoting: ';Plus: Did you know that the Catholic Church was established by Jesus? Catholics were the first Christians, and it's the true church.';





Three lies in one sentence, the Trinity of Lies. Jesus did not establish the Catholic church; Catholics were not the first Christians; and it is not the true church. It is ';a'; church, one of many Christian denominations.





Peace.
false





The Church teaches that good deeds and faith and forgivness that comes only through the grace and mercy of the Lord is what gives you eternal life.
I just posted this on my blog to answer a similar question posed to me:





http://fiatvolvntastua.blogspot.com/2009…





God bless!





In Christ


Fr. Joseph
A Catholic once told me that she earned her salvation.
They would not be able to follow those rules.
not a catholic anymore but yes that's what they taught us in catholic school
oh for god's sake!





i've been raised in ireland and we're all meant to be beaten into catholicism!..





i hate religion!!t's soo ridiculous!!


and why the hell are americans soo brainwashed into believing in made up figures like god??..


and this amazing man called jesus???:(:(:(





alot of it is insecurity!


people use religion to hide behind their homophobia and hatred and use it in the 'name of god'..





ye all drive me insane!!!

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